De-converts United for Prayer in Every School (DUPES)

June 6, 2008 at 11:20 pm 21 comments

Back in my early Christian days, I was in the crowd that wanted prayer, religious instruction, bible studies, etc. back in school. Then I met and married a girl from Denmark. I learned that they had prayer, religious assembly, etc. in their schools and that Denmark had one of the lowest percentages of believers on earth.

Later I worked with some blokes from England and got the same story. I also heard the same story from a Swedish friend.

The more I learned, the more I saw that religion sponsored, taught, and promoted by state/school was the most consistent correlation I could find with an areligious society.

I’m convinced that the main reason we still have such strong religion among the U.S. populace is the state’s hostility to religion. We CANNOT pray in schools. We CANNOT teach anything from the Bible in schools. We can hardly even display the 10 Commandments in public. All of these restrictions give massive amounts of fuel to those who are religious to scream “persecution” and this gives them life and energy.

So, I cry loud “amens” whenever I hear religious folks screaming for prayer in school. In fact, I would give anything for the various Christian groups here in the U.S. to finally succeed in getting religion back in the schools.

– LeoPardus

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  • 1. Samuel Skinner  |  June 7, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Actually believers pushed to get it removed. It was causing… slight problems. You see those other countries are a single sect, but the US is multiple ones… this leads to division, violence, and choas.

  • 2. Samuel Skinner  |  June 7, 2008 at 1:40 am

    For example, burning down the City of Brotherly Love (Catholics vs Protestants).

  • 3. aussie  |  June 7, 2008 at 3:51 am


    I just checked your deconversion blog and there’s a nasty comment full of porn sites. Thought I’d let you know in case you want to get rid of it

  • 4. Harry  |  June 7, 2008 at 3:55 am

    “You see those other countries are a single sect”

    Umm… you what, now? British history is one long fiesta of Protestant-Catholic conflict, quite apart from all the other flavours of god-botherer.

  • 5. vitaminbook  |  June 7, 2008 at 10:51 am

    Ireland, of course, has also had some ‘issues’ with religion in the past, although in Northern Ireland the solution seemed to be just having different schools for protestants and catholics. It didn’t really work out…

  • 6. LeoPardus  |  June 7, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Samuel Skinner:

    Are you talking about the US or the UK?

    In the US it atheists who pushed to remove prayer from schools.

  • 7. LeoPardus  |  June 7, 2008 at 11:57 am


    Thanks. I did see that. The de-Convert removed several such comments from a number of articles there. Looks like some more crept in. Hopefully d-C can clean it out again soon.

  • 8. Faerylandmom  |  June 7, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Interesting perspective. I must admit this notion is new to me.

  • 9. Yurka  |  June 7, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    So cynical, FelisCatus. Do you think people are just Skinneresque automatons whose beliefs can be manipulated at will? The only sense in which we are automatons is that we are enslaved to sin, thus we are determined to do evil unless we are set free.

    You might be in for a surprise if you get your wish (and I hope you do). Your inference might be false. Induction can never yield certainty. Specifically, European Christian theology has been gutted by liberalism during the past couple hundred years, but the same is not true here.

  • 10. vitaminbook  |  June 7, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Yeah, we dirty Europeans have gutted Christianity with our liberalism. Thank God Americans (well, people from the United States of America) are free to drug themselves with Jesus until the world starts making ‘sense’!

  • 11. Yurka  |  June 7, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Just stating a fact, no offense meant vb. Bultmann, Schleiermacher, Wellhausen, Schillebeeckx, Tillich, DF Strauss, Hermann Gunkel – they’re all yours, not ours. I sometimes wondered if the Holocaust would have happened, had not German liberal theology not decimated Christianity, and left a void that Darwinism would fill.
    That is not to say that liberal Christians themselves were Nazis – Bultmann and Bonhoeffer acted quite nobly here. But the lies they spread destroyed Europe’s moral compass and made the Holocaust possible. They were well intentioned moral idiots who do not realize what they unleashed. Now Europe openly embraces euthanasia and pedophilia, and we shall probably be next. We strutt around and pretend to be so “enlightened” and “scientific” yet modern man is no better than the depraved filth that sacrificed their children to Moloch, which we do via abortion.

    Please people! Look at us moderns! Can anyone here say the fruits of secularism are good? I realize I am probably crying in the wilderness here – but for the benefit of those who are undecided I ask you – look at our fruits.

  • 12. vitaminbook  |  June 7, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    In what sense does Europe ’embrace euthenasia and pedophilia’? And which countries in particular are you talking about here? Because I live Ireland, and I have to say, I’ve never heard anyone embrace either of those things. The government certainly doesn’t.

  • 13. Yurka  |  June 7, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    I was thinking primarily of the Netherlands, where euthanasia is legal and where militant pedophiles
    seem to be the most active.

    Also Sweden where bestiality has become a problem since the secularization of that nation.

    I wasn’t even thinking of Ireland. I have MAJOR disagreements with Catholic theology, but I must say Benedict XVI is doing a magnificent job resisting secular bullying. He is a man of integrity and wisdom – much more so than his predecessor. He does not bow the knee to Baal.

  • 14. vitaminbook  |  June 7, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    That’s great. From now on, though, it would be nice if you differentiated between ‘the Netherlands’ and ‘the entirety of Europe’.

  • 15. LeoPardus  |  June 7, 2008 at 8:24 pm


    Thanks for introducing more humor to the thread.

    P.S. Leo Pardus is the old taxonomy designation for the leopard. And I prefer the subvariety melanotica.
    Felis catus is the new taxonomy for the common house cat. In this new silliness, they want to call leopards Pathera pardus. Hmf! As if they think I want to be a panther. Leopardus are much sneakier. And how dumb is it to call a housecat Felis catus??? It sounds like something off the Coyote/Roadrunner show. Poor Linnaeus must be spinning in his tomb.

  • 16. Yurka  |  June 7, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Well, I’m a cat man myself, which is why I think you can’t be all bad LP. When I see camels, dogs, platypuses I think to myself, ‘that thing might have been slapped together by undirected nature’, but when I see a big cat/cat I think ‘now THAT’s got to be designed.’

    As a cat person, how can you deny design?

  • 17. nullifidian  |  June 7, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    LeoPardus: it was atheists who pushed to remove compulsory state-sponsored prayer in school.

  • 18. nullifidian  |  June 7, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Addendum: in the USA.

  • 19. exevangel  |  June 8, 2008 at 10:02 am

    LeoPardus, I’m not sure I can agree with a statement that the US qualifies under the phrase “state’s hostility to religion”. There is a constitutionally-required separation of church and state that has yet managed to become eroded under the current president.

  • 20. LeoPardus  |  June 9, 2008 at 12:38 am


    Actually there is NOT any constitutionally-required separation of church and state. Go ahead and read the Constitution. It isn’t in there. I can tell you where the idea came from if you’re interested.

    Anyway, have you seen all the cases of teachers having a Bible in school, or wearing a cross, or engaging in any conversation of religious content, etc, and getting in trouble for such heinous actions?

    I may not be any tremendous fan of religion anymore, but I can still acknowledge that there are times when state or governmental appendages are unnecessarily hostile, or at least paranoid.

    *Yeah, I know. Folks will think I’ve been reading conservative, Christian propaganda under my bed covers at night now.*

  • 21. TheNerd  |  June 9, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    I agree that when something is “off limits”, it suddenly seems that much more desireable. It’s like telling a child that he can’t have a cookie, even when he wasn’t thinking about cookies at all – that kid is going to be tormenting you until he gets one! But force cookies upon him, and he will soon clamp his mouth shut.

    LP, I belive you are referring to the “esablisment clause” in the Constitution as not being a required separation of church and state. True, it doesn’t flat-out say that church and state must not mix, but it does clearly state that one religion may not be respected over any others. As a state-run institution, public schools may not have a instructor-lead Christian prayer every morning, at the expense of all other represented faiths.

    I only regret that Thomas Jefferson did not write the Consitution, as he did such a fine job of defining separation of church and state in his Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia. You can read his masterpiece here:

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